Barium-Strontium ceramic as current source ?

update from 6.9.2001

From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Sat Apr 03 05:40:20 1999
Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:41:41 -0800
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 06:45:51 +0200
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com
From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER)
Subject: Re: Negative resistance characteristic

At 17:30 02.04.1999 -0800, Bill Beaty at freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote:

>For a "negative resistor" to be a free energy device, it must have a
>volts/amps graph which dips below zero:
>
>      |
>      |
>      |
>      |
>      |
>amps |
>      |          .   .
>      |      .          .
>      |    .               .
>      | .                    .
>      |._________________________.__________________
>                volts               .
>                                        .    .
>
>
>The above "negative resistor" would be interesting. It would not generate
>any energy if it was disconnected from all circuits, since it behaves
>like a normal resistor when the voltage is small. However, if it was
>connected across a battery, and the battery voltage put us into the
>negative-current part of the graph, then the negative resistor would
>reverse the current and start charging the battery!   No scientist would
>take it seriously, since after all, it has a battery as part of its
>circuit.    :)     THe solution would be to connect the device to a
>pre-charged capacitor instead of a battery, then hang a tiny light bulb
>across it, and the light would stay on forever.
>
>About electric arcs and negative resistance: there's supposed to be a
>"negative resistance" region in some part of the volts/amps graph of an
>electric arc in air, and the early radio stations used this to generate
>pure high-freq radio waves. Older stations used Tesla-style pulsed
>supplies, and any radio receivers would pick up the sound of the pulses.
>A station which used a "negative resistance" electric arc to drive its
>antenna would not be heard at all, it would sound like a dead spot on the
>radio dial. A useful phenomenon, because a microphone could be used to
>modulate the transmitter, and voices could be sent, rather than morse code
>dots and dashes which sound like a Tesla coil "BRAAAAAAAT!" I think there
>were several ways to create the "smooth" electric arc which gives the
>negative-resistance effect to pump the coil/capacitor resonators. The one
>I'm familiar with is to use a pair of rotating wheels with carbon rims,
>positioned so the rims almost touch. The arc jumps between the "wheels",
>and because they are rotating, the carbon doesn't become hot and
>evaporate. Just change the spacing of the wheels until the transmitter
>circuit starts oscillating. No transistors or even any tubes.
>

There exists still another possibility !

http://www.overunity.com/theory.htm

or more special

http://www.overunity-theory.de/zaev/dlgwww2.htm

I described an experiment on barium-strontium ceramics by Partington et al.
related to the capacitive Zaev-effect. The possibility that current flows
out of the capacitance under voltage can be regarded as true negative
resistance, not as differential negative resistance as cited quite oftenly
here at freenrg-l.

In the meantime further experimental material has been found which make the
negative resistance behavior more probable (even it is not proved yet for me):

Piekara and Pajak reproduced the experiments made by Partington et al. and
give more experimental values
see A.Piekara, Z.Pajak Acta Physica Polonica Vol.XII Fasc.3-4 (1953), p.170 - 180

After charging and discharging a capacitive ceramics Bullinger et al. could
observe a tiny current from the ceramics due to "relaxing" ceramics.
see (Z. angew. Phys. 12 H.9 (1960) p.410-422 (only in German))

A brand new theory article relating to such phenomena is

P.Reimann , R. Kawai, C. van den Broeck and P.Haenggi Europhysics Letters 45
(5) ,pp. 545-551

They calculate qualitatively general model systems of Brownian particles
which are subjected to two noise sources as energy sources. One noise source
is thermal, the other they do not specify, but it can be thought that the
quantummechanically founded noise of the electric field (see E.G. Harris A
pedestrian approach to quantum field theory Wiley 1972 ) can be used which
rises with the field strength.
Their model reproduces negative hysteresis and negative current. Even if
Haenggi (Universität Augsburg Theoretische Physik) does not accept that his model
violates second law (pers. communication in seminar at FU-Berlin Dec.1998)
the possibility exist that a isothermal positive electric working area violates
second law see http://www.overunity-theory.de/2ndlaw/2ndlaw.htm or
http://www.overunity.com/bauer/index.html. Their model could be a prototype of
"irreversible process mechanism in the other direction" driven by the
quantum-mechanical noise of the electric field.
It is clear that there exists still some distance between the theory and the
application proposed here ( they use global noise, quantum-mechanical
noise is uncorrelated with respect to space, their noise profile does not coincide
exactly with the quantum-mechanic noise profile of the electric field), but I think
the distance could be made shorter with effort and time.

Sincerely

Dieter Bauer

From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 07 18:20:56 1999
Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:20:52 -0700
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:25:12 +0200
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com
From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER)
Subject: Re: Self-charging caps

At 14:09 06.04.1999 -0700, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote:
>Rick Monteverde wrote:
>
> I'm still very suspicious of capacitors. They charge themselves up
> even in a temperature controlled oven or in a very well shielded chamber. If
> I didn't know better (and I *don't*!) I'd say they were tapping variations
> in the dielectric constant of the space within them.

In the direction of the message I agree. However, probably it is not the
variation of the dielectric constant but the variation of the electrical
field itself which causes the effect. It is an analog electric effect
comparable to the particle number fluctuations in a thermodynamic system.
These effects become macroscopically visible especially in the neighborhood
of critical points.

Dieter Bauer

From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Wed Apr 07 22:36:03 1999
Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 13:35:57 -0700
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:34:15 -1000
Subject: Re: Self-charging caps
From: "Rick Monteverde" <rick@highsurf.com>
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com

Dieter -

   > In the direction of the message I agree. However,
   > probably it is not the variation of the dielectric
   > constant but the variation of the electrical field
   > itself which causes the effect.

You'd think it would be something like electric fields, but some of the
experiments have been done in very well shielded chambers. And it's not
quite so much that the things just charge themselves, it's the variations in
the charge rate that are really interesting and seem to connect to things as
remotely situated as lunar cycles, etc.

- Rick Monteverde
Honolulu, HI

From freenrg-l-request@eskimo.com Thu Apr 08 18:01:19 1999
Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:57:57 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:56:17 +0200
To: freenrg-l@eskimo.com, freenrg-l@eskimo.com
From: WDBAUER@vossnet.de (W.D. BAUER)
Subject: Re: Self-charging caps

At 10:34 07.04.1999 -1000, freenrg-l@eskimo.com wrote:
>Dieter -
>
>   > In the direction of the message I agree. However,
>   > probably it is not the variation of the dielectric
>   > constant but the variation of the electrical field
>   > itself which causes the effect.
>
>You'd think it would be something like electric fields, but some of the
>experiments have been done in very well shielded chambers.

Such cases are contained in the existing models as well ! Even a
ferroelectret without charge contains electric fields because there exist
field domains in the bulk which compensate each other.

>And it's not quite so much that the things just charge themselves, it's the
variations in
>the charge rate that are really interesting and seem to connect to things as
>remotely situated as lunar cycles, etc,

... and air humidity ?? :-) Or in another words: Does exist there
reliable published data ?
Similar phenomena are said to exist for the Brown-Biefeld effect.
Such effects are not contained in the existing models which I cited.

I agree insofar: the match between theory and experiment can not regarded to
be 100 % because there are to many still open questions.
I prefer to to compare such effects first with more conventional
interpretations because otherwise you float totally free and can not design
experiments disciminating between the influence of different causes and
factors which produce the effect.

Sincerely

Dieter Bauer